The anesthetist arrived and informed me that she was going to give me an injection. I was asked to lie down on a cot and was wheeled into the ECT room proper.

It was about eight o’clock. A needle was injected into my arm and I was told to count back from 100. I got about as far as 91.. The next thing I knew I was in the recovery room and it was about eight-fifteen.

So quoted Max Fink, from a patient testimonial in his book: Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock.

Max is what I call an ECT evangelist.

He’s sort of the Pat Robertson of ECT.

Pat Robertson2 Pat Robertson – televangelist (700 Club, Christian Broadcasting network)


Max’s book (which I obtained recently) –

max fink electroshock cover


Max himself –

For the past 40 years, Fink has been the world’s leading expert and defender of electroconvulsive therapy (ECT).

For the past 40 years, Fink has been the world’s leading expert and defender of electroconvulsive therapy (ECT).


The number 1 complaint about ECT is memory loss.

Max, in his book, is trying to paint a sort of serene pastoral picture of the ECT experience.

Something like this –


As he awakens, he is asked to give his name, date, and the name of the hospital. He may be puzzled by the questions at first, but awareness improves rapidly and his responses are usually correct within 15 minutes. After a half-hour, he is fully aware of his surroundings.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Reaction after the treatment

However, the spectre of truth about what this is really like, is something even Max finds himself admitting to. Although he scatters that truth far apart from the serene scene he wants you to believe. I think that’s intentional and meant to hide a reality that could be pictured much more darkly and be accurate.

Like this maybe –

MichaelVincentManalo storm coming.

The first inkling that all is not as innocent and peaceful as Max would have you believe comes in these two statements.

This return to awareness may vary… Some patients become agitated when they first awaken in the treatment room. The restlessness is usually controlled by an intravenous dose of Valium or Ativan.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Reaction after the treatment



I should think so!

Vincent - its the king of the nesilim - im so frightened.

Agitated is a PC (politically correct) choice to try and marginalize the reality. Words like TERROR and attitudes like “Get me the fuck out of here” being much more accurate.

Scarier in its attempted PC portrayal, is perhaps this line – where the word “dreamy” is presented to try and get around the obvious gross disorientation and LOSS OF MEMORY – obvious even in his ridiculous portrayal!

After the treatment, the patient may be in a dreamy state, perhaps concerned about not knowing where he is or what is expected of him.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Reaction after the treatment


Oh, perhaps…how erudite of him.

Can we get a pipe-smoking shot with that?


snob with pipe - british.

This guy is just so full of himself without anything to back it up whatsoever – meaning, the true definition of arrogant. He wants to be perceived as intelligent, magnanimous, beneficent, and a “great healer”.

The truth being something rather different.

igor - what about this one

That’s what arrogance is, by the way, it’s being untruthful about one’s accomplishments to try and assert a false superiority. A person doing so has a serious inferiority complex. Basically – most slavemasters, in other words.

Max then gets a bit more real (although still trying to downplay the horror of what he does to people) and provides a bit of a list of just lovely things that show just how terrible ECT is for the body to have to live through.

Sometimes a patient complains of headache, which usually responds to aspirin or similar analgesics. If a patient has the kind of muscular soreness and stiffness that follows intensive exercise, he may get relief from an analgesic. A backache is a sign that the dose of muscle relaxant was not adequate; it can be adjusted in subsequent treatments. Occasionally, a patient will vomit when the anesthetic wears off.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Reaction after the treatment


What happened to the serene, pastoral portrayal? It appears all is not quite as it seems – even in Max’s little PR world.

I don’t feel exactly right…you know what I mean?


The following statement shows just how bad off the person is mentally – contrary to Adolf Max’s previous assertions.

It’s nothing really. I swear.


More difficult is determining when the patient is fully ready to make far-ranging decisions concerning, for example, finance, business, marriage, divorce, or the signing of wills. If such decisions cannot be deferred until the patient is well, they should be made or monitored by a responsible adult.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Restrictions for a treatment


So wait – the guy is supposedly FINE and UNCHANGED mentally after the treatment but yet you better not let him make any important decisions?

Oh Max…

Kermit the frog excited.

I mean really – put together with this doozy of a statement –

The patient usually breathes unassisted within three minutes after the treatment is completed.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Reaction after the treatment


Which reveals you have basically practically KILLED the poor person – one doesn’t live well without breathing you know – well, that pretty much takes care of this whole “how easy and innocent it is” idea.

So, I get it. Max isn’t much different than Dr. Ewen Cameron or William Sargent on what they call “treatment”. Basically they are trying to bring the person’s body as close to death as possible to try to FORCE them to change.

I believe that’s what is known as torture – last time I looked.

aha moment.

Check out some of his statements about how often they do this lovely little DEATH therapy –

Treatment frequency has varied from eight seizures in one day to a single seizure as an entire course.

[…] Doctors at one time hoped that several seizures in a single day, under one period of anesthesia multiple monitored ECT (MMECT)-would ensure clinical success without repeated use of anesthetics. But some patients still suffered memory loss, disorientation, and confusion lasting many days, without experiencing any advantages, so such schedules are not encouraged today.

[Max note 19 for this says Maletzky, 1981. An invidious twist in Medicare reimbursement rates allows extra payments to physicians who administer more than one seizure in a treatment. This economic incentive encourages the use of MMCET despite its acknowledged risks and lack of increased efficacy.]

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Frequency of treatments


Daily treatments with bilateral electrode placement, known as regressive ECT, often hurt patients orientation and memory. Patients sometimes required a few weeks of nursing care for feeding and toileting. Regressive ECT is no longer in use.

[Max note – Murillo and Exner, 1973, 1977. Such treatments relieved severe and unremitting delusional syndromes, especially those dominated by persistent excitement. In its stead, ECT augmentation of antipsychotics drugs are now used.]

[…] Daily or twice-daily treatments are occasionally recommended for patients who are acutely delirious, excited or suicidal….The current practice of two or three treatments a week, on alternate days, is effective and causes few side effects.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, pp 10, 11


He’s talking about the kind of treatment that Ewen Cameron and William Sargant did to people under MI6 and CIA purview.

See –

Particularly note that Max said the “current” treatment is effective.

And yet…

…Illness can recur in up to 20 percent of depressed patients within one month and in up to 50 percent within six months of a short course of treatment, even though antidepressant drugs re continued. For those with delusional depression, the relapse rates are even higher.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, pp 10 – 16


That says everything, all by itself. So basically psychiatry pads and slants its statistics just like scientology does.

spock fascinating


…Disorders in thought recede more slowly and require longer courses of treatment. …His improvement is determined solely by the reports of his behavior by the nursing staff and by family members, especially after he has made a home visit. When everyone agrees that the course has been helpful, then the options can be evaluated.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, pp 10 – 16


So, basically, the person has no say whatsoever.

vincent - i think im going to be sick.

sick sick sick.

How did it ever come to that one person or group of people has the right to control the life of another against their will? Talk about insane!

I’m not talking ax-murderers here – either.

Let’s juxtapose a little R.D. Laing here (whom Max hates because he’s a psychiatrist and knows what he’s talking about) just to illustrate how horrifying – and medieval – this all really is.

Wisdom, Madness and Folly, The Making of a Psychiatrist

R.D. Laing



p 2 to 5.

Psychiatry has many functions. Some of these are the same as those of other fields of Western medicine, but psychiatry is unique in several respects. It is the only branch of medicine that treats people physically in the absence of any known physical pathology.

It is the only branch of medicine that ‘treats’ conduct, alone, in the absence of symptoms and signs of illness of the usual kind. It is the only branch of medicine that treats people against their will, in any way it likes, if it deems it necessary. It is the only branch of medicine that imprisons patients, if judged necessary.

What I seemed to be engaged in was a concerted effort to stop undesired states of mind and conduct, and to keep undesired people in such undesired states of mind and conduct away from people outside, who did not want them around.


R.D. Laing

RD Laing Tavistock

 …Mental hospitals and psychiatric units admit, routinely, every day of the week, people who are sent ‘in’ for non-criminal conduct, but for conduct which their nearest and dearest relatives, friends, colleagues and neighbors find insufferable.

– R.D. Laing, from a post by Virginia McClaughry titled: – Religion, Psychiatry and ‘The Abyss of Difference’


Which is exactly what Max just said is the determining factor of when TORTURE in the name of treatment will be “complete”.


…Disorders in thought recede more slowly and require longer courses of treatment. …His improvement is determined solely by the reports of his behavior by the nursing staff and by family members, especially after he has made a home visit. When everyone agrees that the course has been helpful, then the options can be evaluated.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, pp 10 – 16


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…It is our only way to keep people out of the company that can’t stand them. The staff of those places to which such unpopular people are sent are paid minimal wages to take care of them.

…prisons for people whom the world out there can’t stand and wants secluded and excluded for non-criminal offences.

– R.D. Laing, from a post by Virginia McClaughry titled: – Religion, Psychiatry and ‘The Abyss of Difference’


The Unpopular


Anti-Social label

shunning and bullying

Sociopath label


Religious Shunning

religious shunning

Scientology version

suppressive person forehead stamp

Catholic version

anathema stamp

Internet version – Social Engineering

“Virginia McClaughry. Yeah, she won’t win any popularity or sanity contests.”


sockpuppets on the internet
and banned



Are we seeing a pattern here?

dark crystal skeksis vatican bank.

…The sense of a human bond with that patient may well be absent in the psychiatrist who diagnoses the patient as incapable of having a bond with anyone. Many psychiatrists have become very angry with me for pointing this out.

– Wisdom, Madness and Folly, The Making of a Psychiatrist

People don’t like pompous asses jailers psychiatrists?

Who woulda thunk it.

Psychiatrist in Nuts questioning Barbara StreisandBarbra Streisand in the movie “Nuts”


…I agree with the anti-psychiatric thesis that by and large psychiatry functions to exclude and repress those elements society wants excluded and repressed.

– R.D. Laing, – Wisdom, Madness and Folly from a post by Virginia McClaughry titled: – Religion, Psychiatry and ‘The Abyss of Difference’

Awfully close to what sociopaths do…


repressWho’s really the sociopaths around here?

Now if you notice, earlier Max Fink tried several times to say there isn’t any electroshock impaired memory, he tries to shunt that off in a later chapter to that it was those “earlier” people – which, of course, he was one of.

The prevalent belief that electroshock impaired memory is based on the early experiences of patients who were treated without anesthesia or ventilation with oxygen. Such treatments were associated with severe and persistent memory losses.

– Max Fink – Chapter 3 – Risks and Contraindications

He is lieing. ALL ect treatments do this to people.

A fact that was revealed just recently as part of a sales pitch for the new seizure “therapy” – MST or Magnetic Seizure Therapy.

From my post Speaking of “Remote Viewing” – Telepathy and “Schizophrenia” Light Up Same Part of Brain?

As part of the sales pitch for this new “therapy” the PR powers-that-be inadvertently confirmed something that electro-shock therapy proponents (like Dr. Max Fink) have been trying to deflect from for years. They confirmed it is associated with significant cognitive impairment – ie: that amentia or retardation that Abraham Myerson thought was just so neat. sarcasm

Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is a highly effective treatment for severe depression. However, its use is associated with significant posttreatment cognitive impairment.

Anesthetic Considerations for Magnetic Seizure Therapy: A Novel Therapy for Severe Depression, 2006 article

Max the liar, see?

is that so - kara thrace battlestar.

But here’s the thing. Max did a lot of his ECT work under the rubrick of CIA mindcontrol projects – both project BLUEBIRD and MKULTRA, particularly in the 1950’s and 1960’s.

See What Really Happened At The Missouri Institute of Psychiatry – CIA, MKUltra and Scientology

So he KNEW what he was doing to people. This begs the question, why did he ignore the obvious pleas from his victims patients and only in the 1980’s did those supposedly change. What happened that gave him such trouble that he felt compelled to re-write history here?

Patient revolts and Guardian’s Office activists – that’s what.

(The Guardian’s Office was branch of the Church of Scientology prior to the early 1980’s)

When L. Ron Hubbard established the social movement known as the Church of Scientology, he made the psychiatric care of the mentally ill his target. He argued that the use of psychotropic medications, electroshock, and lobotomy are immoral and damaging to the brain, and that no person would voluntarily agree to a treatment that might alter the mind. His international following condemns biological treatments throughout the world, and his followers are the most active antagonists of psychiatric practice. The Church of Scientology has several publishing outlets, using the imprimaturs Citizens Commission on Human Rights, Bridge Publications, New Era Publications, and Freedom Publications.19

19. Anonymous, 1992; Ruder, Kubillus and Burwell 1995

Among their widely distributed publications are Psychiatry Destroys Minds, Psychiatry’s Betrayal, Psychiatry Victimizing the Elderly, Psychiatry Destroying Religion, Psychiatry Destroying Morals, and Psychiatry Manipulates Creativity, most of which are sent free to medical students and psychiatric residents.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, p 96-99 Antipsychiatry actions

Note: It’s really interesting that Max chose to refer to scientology as a “social movement” – especially in light of Ron Hubbard’s having been chosen by the CIA to use scientology to run “political actions”.

Political actions being defined by CIA agent Max Copeland exactly the same as his other choice besides scientology – Frank Buchman and the MRA (Moral Re-Armament) – had done three decades earlier.

In its original form, my theory was that properly ‘charismatized’ leaders, placed in certain positions in the ‘free world’s’ ‘key’ bureaucracies, could be used as political levers by which an enlightened American foreign policy could uplift the world.

…the judicious application of my theory would enable a properly employed CIA to fulfill the Wilsonian pledge to ‘make the world safe for democracy’ while removing certain goings-on here and there that were inconveniencing the American way of life.

– Miles Copeland – The Game Player “political action description”


Ah. Removing certain goings-on, which would have been caused by certain kinds of people.

Get the idea what scientology was (and still is) supposed to do to its adherents?


I hoped to devise political actions which would boost aspirants of my choice into them, keep them there and channel them into paths leading to prosperity and security for both them and us.

identifying potential leaders and guiding them to their rightful destiny, through democratic means if such were available but unhesitatingly by other means if they were not.

– Miles Copeland, The Game Player (Scientology and the MRA had been chosen by the CIA in 1955)


Other means? Talk about a loaded statement.

wiley-double yikes

See how aligned that is with what Max Fink has been involved with by frying people’s brains to try and destroy repair – what did he call it? – Oh yes.

Disorders of thought.

wry face.

Under “other means” – we have –




Insulin shock

Insulin shock


And now the NEW version – Magnetic Seizure shock


And…we have scientology and it’s “Grade Chart” to properly channel people how and where the slavemasters wanted them.


ones that can be awakened, motivated in terms of their own interests, and directed into channels benefitting our interests.

– Miles Copeland, The Game Player (Scientology and the MRA had been chosen by the CIA in 1955)

You understand that the adherents/activists in the Guardian’s Office – the Citizen’s Commission on Human Rights – were duped/channeled/controlled into targeting an outside source as being “the monsters” that were trying to do all this covert behavior modification to people, right?

Swoon - oh the irony.

Thereby accidentally on purpose giving anti-psychiatric protesting a bad name – which gets (even now) called crazy and tin-foil hat to oppose psychiatry and just about instantly positioned with the “equally insane” scientology movement.

A fact noted by a real anti-psychiatry activist (not some government intelligence agency directed one) named Robert Whitaker.

From my post The Two Robert Whitakers And The Two Subjects: Bad Psychiatry and The British “Started” Interpol

Briefly, Robert Whitaker #2 has won numerous awards as a journalist covering medicine and science, including the George Polk Award for Medical Writing and a National Association for Science Writers’ Award for best magazine article. In 1998, he co-wrote a series on psychiatric research for the Boston Globe that was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service. Anatomy of an Epidemic won the 2010 Investigative Reporters and Editors book award for best investigative journalism.

An interview with him –

Interviewer: Robert Whitaker began researching for a series on abuses of psychiatric patients for the Boston Globe with a self-professed conventional understanding of psychiatry. But as he delved deeper into the scientific literature, he found surprising results. Where was the proof of the chemical imbalance? Why did short-term outcome studies show improvement with drug treatment, but long-term outcome studies showed medicated patients faring worse than their unmediated counterparts?

Robert:…I was shocked, and I was continually shocked, as I moved my way through the research, initially starting with studies dealing with antipsychotics use for schizophrenia. I was shocked by how consistent the story was as you began to focus on long-term outcomes as opposed to short-term outcomes. The very first one-year studies show the outcome that the medicated patients are more likely to be hospitalized and then you start following these landmark studies in order, you kind of follow your way through the research studies that begin looking at long-term outcomes and you see the same outcomes coming up again and again. First you see it with antipsychotics. I was surprised to see that by the late 1970s, people were saying “Uh oh, are we basically making this disorder more chronic?”

I was surprised, actually, by how fleshed-out the story was about the paradoxical long-term effects of the drugs. Then I was surprised that you begin to see it everywhere. If you look at cross-cultural studies, you see it. You see it in Courtney Hardings studies. Then you get MRI technology, which is showing that antipsychotics shrink the brain, and as that happens you get some functional impairment. By the time that the 2007 report came out by Martin Harrow, there were fifteen years of outcomes for medicated and unmedicated patients. By this time I expected the unmedicated patients to do much better.

Interviewer: Are we basically making this disorder more chronic?

That’s what he indeed reported and found. Even though it seemed so startling and so contrary to what you would expect to find given societal expectations, it was exactly what I expected to find.


But here’s what I really loved that he said –

Interviewer: You mentioned Eli Lily and their response to data showing Prozac being associated with suicidal ideation, and how scientology and its views on psychiatry entered the picture.

Robert: I made a little joke in the book about psychiatry secretly funding scientology, but really, it couldn’t have worked out better for the pharmaceutical companies and biological psychiatry. The reason is that, of course, it delegitimizes criticism. The fact that scientology is so visibly attacking biological psychiatry and attacking psychiatric drugs delegitimizes all criticism. Scientologists clearly do have a cult-like status and they clearly do have an agenda. The fact that they’re so visible makes it very easy for psychiatry and pharmaceutical companies to say, “This is just criticism coming from that crazy group.”

Some of the stuff, they’ve gone into the data and they’ve brought out some information. Because it was scientology and CCHR that was out front with the criticism and raising questions and raising accusations that these drugs were causing suicide and violence, just made it really easy for pharmaceutical industry and Eli Lily to have it dismissed.

If we didn’t have Scientology. Imagine it doesn’t exist and there’s no such group raising criticism.

The questions around whether Prozac can stir violence or could cause someone to become suicidal or homicidal would have had a lot more traction.

Why Psychiatry Embraced Drugs: An Interview with Author Robert Whitaker Written by Kelly Bourdet, April 16, 2012

Now we know why scientology “attacks” psychiatry with the lamest attacks ever, especially under David Miscavige’s helm – eh?

To give credibility to it!

Since it’s a damn British/American Intelligence front group, that makes a whole lot more sense than the other retarded explanations out there.

Really get this part, scientology’s retarded attacks on psychiatry –

delegitimizes criticism.


Certainly comes under “other means” – not to mention controlled opposition.

Hubbard was charged to do a controlled opposition game which would yield a number of intelligence products of interest to Miles Copeland of the CIA. This would include “attacks” on psychiatry that would do exactly what Whitaker said – delegitimize actual opposition.

What’s controlled opposition?

Commentary on the controlled opposition tactic by Steven Hager

But that’s the way spooks play their games. If there’s going to be a social movement against whatever you’re doing, it’s best if you secretly create and orchestrate that movement against yourself right away so that it never does any unintended damage to your personal fortunes.


This “other means” business is also exactly what psychological warfare (and friend of L. Ron Hubbard) icon and mentor to Miles Copeland – Paul Linebarger – said in his book.

What is their solution to people that mess up slavemaster false ideas of a world where they can “manipulate” everyone successfully whether they like it or not?

Sometimes individuals will be unpersuadable. Then they must be killed or neutralized by other purely physical means—such as isolation or imprisonment.

– Paul Linebarger, OSS and CIA propagandist, friend and compatriot of L. Ron Hubbard, in his book Psychological Warfare School of Advanced International Studies; published by DUELL, SLOAN AND PEARCE, NEW YORK,  COPYRIGHT 1948, 1954 (second revised addition), made available on the net by Project Gutenberg –  Release Date: March 30, 2015 [EBook #48612]


Lines right up with what R.D. Laing said –

…Thus society expects psychiatry to perform to very special functions. To lock certain people up; and to stop and, if possible, change certain states of mind and types of conduct in the name of curing mental illness.

– R.D. Laing, Wisdom, Madness and Folly as documented in a post by Virginia McClaughry titled: – Religion, Psychiatry and ‘The Abyss of Difference’



As to patient revolts, notice in this next section how Max makes the rather odd shift to referring to a female –

…Sometimes a patient fears that electroshock will impair skills that are the basis of her livelihood. That Fear is groundless. It was the mental illness, not the treatment, that may have impaired her knowledge. The student who regains her normal mental state through treatment can return to her studies with the same skills she had earlier.

A few patients complain that their memories never fully return, that they have gaps in their recollection of personal history and that memories related to work are incomplete. These patients sense an estrangement even though they can carry on their normal daily activities. They are distressed at not being able to recall the details that their friends can. But such losses are rare.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Chapter 3 – Risks and Contraindications p 16,17,18


This is actually a veiled reference to a woman named Marilyn Rice who had ECT therapy who actually lost her memory of her education and became a strong advocate and head of an anti-psychiatry movement. She founded the Committee for Truth in Psychiatry (CTIP) in 1984.

Note: Fink often does this particular technique – where he splits apart the examples that are counter his pro-arguments to later parts of the book – so that he can hopefully distract the reader from the gruesome truth about this “therapy”.

Here’s where he talks abut Marilyn –

An account published in The New Yorker in 1974 of an alleged case of brain damage following ECT strengthened the antipsychiatry movement. Berton Roueche, a prominent medical writer, told the story of a federal government economist named Marilyn Rice. She had pain in her teeth that was not relieved by extensive dental care; eventually all her teeth were removed.

When the pain persisted, she sought psychiatric help but got no relief from psychotherapy or medicines. At that point, she was referred for ECT. After it was administered, her dental pains disappeared, but she complained that all memory of her past and her profession had also disappeared. She claimed she needed a laborious relearning in order to function at all. Eventually, she retired from government service and then started publicly attacking ECT.

She spoke at psychiatric conferences, appeared before state legislatures, and wrote harshly critical letters about psychiatrists and psychiatry. She established the Committee Against Assault in Psychiatry, a vocal antipsychiatry group that still seeks public attention.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, p 96-99 Antipsychiatry actions


The parts of Max’s book where he’s trying to deflect off of ECT causing memory loss (which it does) are highly revealing in a why that I’m sure that Max didn’t anticipate in his overdone zeal to try and “save” face for ECT treatments.

The funniest (in a dark way) example is when he starts trompsing on psychotropic drugs, which, given his history working for CIA and NIMH interests for most of his career is rather super-hypocrite of him, but that’s not what he really screwed up on here.

Read this –

Another cause of memory loss, though it is not often recognized or acknowledged, is the influence of psychotropic drugs. Almost all medications used to treat emotional disorders cause changes in brain chemistry and physiology that manifest themselves as an impairment of memory.

Lithium, used to treat manic-depressive illness, affects memory. …Immediately after the drugs are ingested the lithium level in the blood rises to the point at which it clearly impairs concentration and memory. …if the level rises above 1.3 mEq/1, the patient may become drowsy and unaware of the passing scene.

…Older tricyclic antidepressants, such as Tofranil, Sinequan, and Elavil, affect concentration and memory even in proper dosages. When these drugs are given along wth ECT, the combination may exaggerate the patient’s confusion, perhaps causing a delirium.

(he doesn’t know about Prozac, Paxl and Zoloft – but thinks they do the same thing)

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Chapter 3 – Risks and Contraindications p 16,17,18


I just got done documenting exactly what parts of the brain these drugs are targeting, what’s the chemical process of the body they are interrupting, and what the real reason for these “psychiatric” drugs actually is.

See my post Speaking of “Remote Viewing” – Telepathy and “Schizophrenia” Light Up Same Part of Brain?

In a nutshell they are targeting the part of the brain they think is responsible for the abilities of telepathy, mind-reading, remote-healing and remote-viewing – the same things they call schizophrenia or “mental illness” to cover up that they are trying to stunt/stimulate these abilities in people.

One of these is the hippocampus, which also happens to be the area of the brain that when there are problems chemically with an important chemical called acetylcholine (which psychiatric drugs screw with) the person gets concentration and memory problems.

So silly wabbit Max here, just confirmed that while trying to shift the readers attention of his pet treatment (which does the same thing!).

See what I mean?

I think that’s hilarious actually – that’s the second time I’ve caught psychiatry verifying something they spent decades denying when trying to sell a new treatment or distract off one to the other.

Sooner or later their lies always catch up with them and will be exposed – if there is someone watching for it, that is. They hope and pray

fingers crossed wishful thinking

and cross their fingers that all their years of propaganda and social stigmatism directed towards anyone who gets close to the truth will have defrayed the dreaded embarassment – they hate it with a passion – from ever happening, but I find myself disinclined to acquiesce to that desire. How about you?

Max just can’t keep his mouth shut on the topic either. He keeps on targeting “it’s the drugs” – kind of a childish “No, you!” kind of thing.

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…Practitioners are certainly aware of the effects of psychotropic drugs on memory. Since formal consent is not a feature of psychopharmacologic practice, however, the matter is rarely discussed, so the patient and his family are not prepared for ill effects. Everyone attributes the medicines’ effects on memory to the illness. And since these medications are not only often combined with ECT, but are used as continuation treatment, their detrimental effects are often blamed solely on ECT…

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Chapter 3 – Risks and Contraindications p 16,17,18

He then tries to distract from the known memory loss aspect by talking about levels of oxygen and anesthesia as if those are the problem (not the baseball bat electric shock to the brain).

But even in this example you can still see the tiny admission of “she will recall nothing…”

Direct effect of the treatment on memory.

The seizure itself, the anesthesia, the levels of oxygen in the lungs (….etc.) have direct effects on memory. The effects can be severe, but our present knowledge enables the physician to provide an effective treatment with an acceptable benefit-to-risk ratio.

Because the patient was under an anesthetic during ECT, she will recall nothing that took place in the treatment room. As the anesthetic wears off, she is confused and restless. As she awakens further and further and recognizes the voices and faces of the doctor and nurse she will become calm. Soon, she will respond to her name, identify where she is, and recall the date and time of day. Disorientation about person is evident for 5 to 30 minutes; about place an average of 10 to 40 minutes; about time, up to an hour. These periods are longer in older patients. When the patient returns to her room following the treatment, she will have difficulty perceiving her surroundings and recalling events for several hours. And when she is visited by her family, she may appear sleepy, vague, distant, and uninterested.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Chapter 3 – Risks and Contraindications p 16,17,18


Sleepy, vague, distant, and uninterested – what a wonderful sarcasm cure. Sounds exactly like what someone be like after serious trauma to the head.

Check out this very interesting example of some mental gymnastics on Max’s part – where he then tries to lay the blame on the patient not the ECT!!

Because those referred for ECT are usually the most ill, and have been ill for the longest periods, the impairment of their memory is the most severe.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Chapter 3 – Risks and Contraindications p 16,17,18


Buried within something else – well apart from the actual discussion of memory loss and what ECT does do to people, he makes a very weak admission.

…There is one from a practicing psychiatrist who received bilateral ECT in 1965, when high-energy sinusoidal currents were in use:

Memory for recent events, during the week or so preceding treatment, appears to be the most severely affected.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Chapter 3 – Risks and Contraindications p 16,17,18

While obviously attempting to have the reader form the idea that “it’s only a week” – you understand.

I’d like to talk about the anesthesia aspect here a bit because it’s nowhere near as innocent as you may have been conditioned to think.

In Chapter 4 Technical features of the treatment –

…The patient under succinylcholine then, does not breathe on his own…The patient is not aware that he is not breathing by himself, because the anesthesia blocks his awareness.

The intubation is done after the patient is asleep and is removed before the patient wakes. Intubation, a routine procedure in general anesthesia, causes no discomfort, because the patient is unaware of it.


Notice how twice Max plays with words (and hopes you won’t notice) about that not breathing and intubation causes no discomfort because the patient is unaware of it.

He’s actually, in a very sick way, playing on what he hopes is your unawareness of what really happens during intubation and even surgery while under anesthetic.

Let me enlighten you.

Note: In 2009 a man named Geir Isene created an internet forum. This was the first place I chose to begin posting publicly again, and on November 24th, 2009, I posted about what really goes on behind-the-scenes with anesthetics. The following is taken from what I originally wrote.

Way back when, I came across an interesting paper by HL Kaul from 2002 about Monitoring Depth of Anaesthesia. What was interesting about it was just how difficult it really is to try and get the body into such a near death state that it can’t “fight”. Fight the surgery, that is.

This is one of those facts that I dare say most people don’t even know about, much less understand.

Let’s start simple and just briefly take up a couple things Max says above and then we’ll dive deeper into just how much disinformation and glossing over he is doing to the reader here.

OK. First. Do you see that drug Max mentioned – succinylcholine – do you know what that actually does to the body?

Anectine – Succinylcholine is described as a depolarizing skeletal muscle relaxant.

muscle relaxant” is one hell of a mis-directional euphemism because the real word for what it does is paralyzed.

How it does this is similar to what I explained in  about the role of a chemical called acetylcholine in the body. Succinylcholine, like acetylcholine, combines with the cholinergic receptors of the motor end plate to produce depolarization. In layman’s terms, this means the nerves cannot transmit their messages properly to the muscles – the person is paralyzed.

It only takes less than one minute after IV administration for this to happen and it lasts approximately 4 to 6 minutes before you have to give another dose.

The important thing to remember is that it has no effect whatsoever on consciousness.

The person is paralyzed but awake.

paralyzed narcosis.

This is a clip from the movie “Trapped” showing what it’s like to be given Succinylcholine.



OK. Do you see where Max said:

…The patient under succinylcholine then, does not breathe on his own…Intubation, a routine procedure in general anesthesia, causes no discomfort, because the patient is unaware of it.

The person “does not breathe on their own” because they’re paralyzed.

And it is a point-blank lie that intubation “causes no discomfort” – so much so that it happens to be the #1 thing that the body fights them on – “conscious” or not – tooth and nail.

That’s how much your body hates it.


Does that sound like “no discomfort” to you?

no shaking head.

Right, and that’s how much Max is lying and marginalizing this to his readers.

In fact, this is so bad that there are only two things that succinylcholine is used in – intubation and during electric shock.


This is intubation (as practiced on a dummy)

intubation practice on dummy.

The #1 thing that anesthesia has a little trouble overcoming – to put it mildly.

Really get that. This means that electric shock is such a horrendous experience and so life-threatening to the body that it is right up there with intubation!

This is the purpose of drugs like succinylcholine – to try and paralyze the bodies muscles from being able to fight back against what they also very euphemistically call “noxious stimuli”.


is what it really is.

Let’s not try and hide that fact, shall we, and the body isn’t wrong to fight against it. Would you really want it not to?

So this is what is really going in behind-the-scenes in surgery and I’d like to go into that a little further with you and help you understand it because I think that people shouldn’t be quite so flippant about “getting surgery” once you understand you are literally taking the body to the threshold of death. Every Single. Time.

Doesn’t really seem appropriate to do to the body for a self-indulgent “nose job” – now does it. And this is what I think that risk factor “release form” is really about that patients have to sign.

The body may not choose to come back from this kind of abuse.


Can you blame it?

It’s actually pretty heroic, compassionate, and amazing that it usually does come back and be there – for you.

Remember how Max keeps going on with the excuse that the patient isn’t aware of anything?  That’s not exactly true, but it does happen to be one of the two main objectives of modern anesthesia.

One of the objectives of modern anaesthesia is to ensure adequate depth of anaesthesia to prevent awareness without inadvertently overloading the patients with potent drugs.

– HL Kaul 2002 Monitoring Depth of Anaesthesia


In fact, this is so important to them that they consider it a legal liability.

Intraoperative awareness is a major medico-legal liability to the anaesthesiologists and can lead to postoperative psychosomatic dysfunction in the patient, and therefore should be avoided at all costs.

– HL Kaul 2002 Monitoring Depth of Anaesthesia

Let me decode this a bit for you. It’s saying that if you wake up and become aware of what they are doing to you that you will be so upset about what really goes on in so-called innocent surgery that it will affect you even after the surgery – that’s that “postoperative psychosomatic dysfunction” part – psychosomatic is simply a fancy word for mind/spirit influencing the body.

What they’re really talking about is that if you did know what really goes on you wouldn’t be likely to want to do that again – surgery – just about ever, and what would today’s dear old political-profit oriented medicine do then, eh?

I’m sorry, but it really is that callous in the actual overview here.

To figure out how to “gauge” whether the anaesthesia is deep enough, they’ve had several evolutions of that beginning with John Snow in 1847 who described five degrees of what he called narcotism. These were later refined by a Dr. Guedel into four stages, and then in 1954 Artusio divided Guedel’s first stage into 3 separate “planes” of awareness – so to speak.

Then came Woodbridge in 1957 who defined anaesthesia itself as having four components:

  • sensory blockade – sight, hearing, touch, etc. – the “senses”
  • motor blockade – movement, muscles.
  • blockade of autonomic reflexes – autonomic meaning things like digestion, breathing, heart-beat, nerves being able to “send” electrical messages, etc.
  • loss of consciousness – which is a really up-for-grabs meaning because it actually never happens!

This is why you have the actual thing looked for in anaesthesia being defined by Prys-Roberts as suppression of conscious perception of noxious stimuli.

That’s where it gets interesting, because like I said that never happens!

If you look again at what we quoted earlier:

Intraoperative awareness is a major medico-legal liability to the anaesthesiologists and can lead to postoperative psychosomatic dysfunction in the patient, and therefore should be avoided at all costs.

– HL Kaul 2002 Monitoring Depth of Anaesthesia

and I really want you to GET this –

They don’t care whether there is no pain – they care whether you know what they are doing! They call “no pain” while still being awake Analgesia and they have no interest whatsoever in that.

All they care about is stopping the communication system of the body from “telling on them” and the horrendous pain they are causing. This communication systems is called the CNS – the central nervous system.

General anaesthetics can suppress the response to these noxious stimuli by interrupting their transmission at various levels of CNS….

A gradually increasing concentration of general anaesthetic agent produces a progressive decline in the ability of the brain to carry out tasks and to remember these afterwards. The effect of anaesthesia on cognition and memory occurs before noticeable autonomic effects.

– HL Kaul 2002 Monitoring Depth of Anaesthesia

Long and short? These people are all about interrupting the transmission of the “messages”. It might interest you to look at it this way. The first principle of active aggressive warfare is to disrupt the “enemies” communications systems – destroying radio towers and so on.

So, quite literally, what they are doing here in anaesthesia to your body is an act of war – and don’t think it doesn’t know it!

Be gone foul Anaesthesiologist!

The 'average' woman in chains at the mercy of a manbegan showing up in movies


The next part of this paper goes into a complicated description of what is “cognition” and how that’s really all about memory. Apparently these guys think that if you don’t have “memory” then you’re not aware.

But, here’s the thing. What this really boils down to is what they call explicit memory versus implicit memory both of which are part of what they call (and their big concern area historically) long-term memory.


Explicit means stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt.

Implicit means implied though not plainly expressed. You use the word implicit when you mean that something is understood but not clearly stated or even stated at all.

In memory, this has two very different meanings.

Explicit means you know what happened, and can clearly recall the details.

Implicit means you also know what happened but –

  • A – are fuzzy on the details or
  • B – you know what happened but you don’t “need” the details – for example tying your shoe, you just know how to do it and you don’t have to bring up all the details every time.

However you CAN bring up the “explicit” memory if you need to, an important distinction they really would rather not have to know about.

It shouldn’t be much of a surprise that this is the part they are obsessed (and not just in anaesthesiology) with trying to control.

It’s those dang details they don’t want people to know.


Funnily enough, the exact same thing that pulling a con on someone depends on – details. Specifically, looking at the wrong details and ignoring the right ones that would catch the con-artist and put him out of business.

OK, now watch what Dr. Kaul said here –

…Explicit memory systems are more sensitive than implicit memory systems to the effects of general anaesthetic. With very low concentration of anaesthetic there is little effect on conscious awareness and explicit memory. With increasing anaesthetic concentration there is little effect on conscious awareness but explicit memory is lost. Further increase in anaesthetic concentration abolishes conscious awareness but there may be perception of events without consciousness, which can be demonstrated, with tests of implicit memory.

– HL Kaul 2002 Monitoring Depth of Anaesthesia

Let’s carefully note two things here.

  1. ALL levels of anaesthetic do not actually stop knowledge or memory from happening
  2. Even at the level they are trying to achieve “abolishes conscious awareness” there is still perception or memory of the events.

What they fail to note (and for good reason, they don’t want you to know this) is that implicit cannot exist without explicit – those details are still there and can be accessed.

This, in a sense, proves what’s called the engramme theory.

Now don’t get your panties in a twist, I’m not validating Ron Hubbard and his Dianetics here.

Woman-Pointing-Her-Finger-now now.

What I am saying is that –

  • A – there is no such thing as unconscious or lack of awareness meaning lack of knowledge or memory of anything
  • B – so called “unconscious mind” events aren’t really unconscious at all, this is just a deliberate obfuscation of what is actually going on in surgery, trauma etc. They are known about, and in detail.

For example, if the body has drugs in its system that are impairing feeling, senses, and so on and so on – that is what was there to be “felt” and is recorded or “remembered”. But that’s not all that is recorded, that’s just some of those details – the others are there too. The doctors, what they did, what they said, etc. Just because there is a “lack” of seeing or whatever doesn’t mean that is not perceived. It is perceived exactly as how it felt! Fuzzy=fuzzy as a detail.

One detail.

And it’s noted by the body in explicit memory perfectly (and not just implicit memory) as are all the other details deemed important.

The real source who first posited the idea of truly uninterrupted and not ever unconscious memory was a German man named Richard Semon.


His book, published in Liepzig 1904 in German, was titled: Die Mneme als erhaltendes Princip de organishchen Geschehens  and it was here that he coined the word for this storage of memory Engramme – the same word (and concept) that both Ron Hubbard and the Society for Biological Psychiatry re-appropriated for themselves (in 1946) as the English word Engram.

You can all about the many examples of where both stole various concepts from Richard (without crediting him) in my post the Covert Origins of Dianetics – Biological Psychiatry but here’s a couple excerpts from Richard’s book that are relevant here.

Chapter II

When an organism has been temporarily stimulated and has passed, after the cessation of the stimulus, into the condition of “secondary indifference,” it can be shown that such organism—be it plant, protist, or animal —has been permanently affected.

This I call the engraphic action of a stimulus, because a permanent record has been written or engraved on the irritable substance.

I use the word engram to denote this permanent change wrought by a stimulus; the sum of such engrams in an organism may be called its “engram-store,” among which we must distinguish inherited from acquired engrams.


As you can see, it’s been posited/known for some time that to block awareness sufficient to block recording is actually not possible – the body life force is never “unconscious.

We know now though, that is one of the main goals of anaesthesia ie: trying to block detailed knowledge of what happened in the surgery.

I’m sure that some of you are going “I don’t want to know what happened” which hey…it’s pretty gruesome so I can’t say I disagree entirely.

The problem, as Semon made quite clear way back in 1904, is that it IS known and definitely not forgotten by your “partner in spirit” – the body, and it has ways of making it clear what it thinks about both your squeamishness and your lack of responsibility for putting it in that position and your lack of compassion in understanding just what you allowed to be done to it.

Not to be overly blunt here, but seriously, in trying to “fix” one thing you may have just gained yourself a lifetime of numerous other problems that will be just as deadly and perhaps even more pervasively destructive in the end than the thing you sought to fix!

You’re not escaping what you think you are.

in other words.


We mentioned earlier the 4 stages of “awareness” as medicine conceives it and focused on Stage I. The fourth stage is described as “deep anaesthesia with no awareness or recall.”

How they determine whether you have reached this deepest stage is very interesting. They put it this way:

The purposeful movement of any part of the body in response to noxious perioperative stimuli is one of the most useful clinical sign of depth of anaesthesia.

Noxious stimuli – the top of the list being whether the body can fight the intubation process.


It’s not really unaware, you understand, it’s whether it can MOVE in response to this most hated procedure. They are determining “awareness” by lack of response.

And since you’re paralyzing the guy, that’s not really a fair test.

You can’t move and fight this so therefore you’re unaware…

come on!

It really is that gruesome and seriously bad logic.

But, see, this is the exact same veiled truth that Max is trying to sell people regarding how great paralyzing and intubating the person is as part of ECT – because he is “unaware”.

Now you understand that ain’t it at all – he’s lying. Not MOVING, nerves not CONDUCTING, does not equal “unaware”.

This kind of scientific skullduggery is what I call monkey-science –

monkey pompous ass scientist

.hey I just came up with a theory - monkey science

No wonder they love their Darwin-monkey theory so much, it’s very descriptive of them.

The bottom line is that there is an awareness in the body that is very hard to get around, and fights the anesthetician (while the person is “unconscious”).

So then they have to get into adding other drugs besides the paralyzing types (succinylcholine) things like opium (called opiods) and nasty chemicals like nitrous oxide, etc.

Again – especially when doing intubation after the supposed “unconsciousness” has resulted from paralyzation – the body still responds!

Maximum stimulation occurs during laryngoscopy and intubation…Therefore, assessment of depth of anaesthesia using clinically relevant noxious stimuli (laryngoscopy/intubation) requires the concurrent administration of other nalgesic and adjuvant drugs (opioids/nitrous oxide, muscle relaxants) to provide haemodynamic control.

– HL Kaul 2002 Monitoring Depth of Anaesthesia

It was interesting to find out that even when the approved level of “unresponsiveness” is reached, that there is STILL a response when the first skin incision is made.

Cullen et al found that skin incision modified most clinical signs of drug effect e.g. during halothane and oxygen anaesthesia, heart rate, respiratory rate, tidal volume and pupil diameter increase after skin incision and return to normal after about 12 minutes. The systolic and diastolic blood pressure may not change.

TWELVE MINUTES! And this supposedly when the proper unable to move or respond has supposedly happened.

So much for  “unawareness” ever being achieved.


See that?

And if they are working on the heart – it’s even more obvious that there is full awareness by the body of what they are doing.

However, in a study, using high dose fentanyl induction in patients for cardiac anaesthesia, Stanley et al found that even increasingly large doses of fentanyl could not always produce a complete anaesthetic state in all subjects.


Tracheal intubation represents stronger noxious stimuli than all surgical stimuli…


Here’s the thing, even with all those paralyzing drugs and hypnotic and so on, there are still muscles in the esophagus area that are not paralyzed!


The non-striated muscles in the lower half of oesophagus retain their potential activity even after full skeletal muscle paralysis by neuromuscular blocking agents. Measurements of LOC therefore, provide two prime derivatives.

I’ll ask again now – does that sound like “unawareness” to you?


And now let’s take another look at what Max Fink tried to sell everybody on –

In Chapter 4 Technical features of the treatment –

…The patient under succinylcholine then, does not breathe on his own…The patient is not aware that he is not breathing by himself, because the anesthesia blocks his awareness.

The intubation is done after the patient is asleep and is removed before the patient wakes. Intubation, a routine procedure in general anesthesia, causes no discomfort, because the patient is unaware of it.


Particularly this part is, as you can now see, a complete and utter LIE.

Intubation…causes no discomfort, because the patient is unaware of it.



The drug that Max was enamored with – succinylcholine – happens to be one of the same drugs that the CIA’s top-secret mind-control research project called MKULTRA was researching- particularly sub-project 68.

In my post: What Was MKULTRA Sub-Project 68 originally posted here June 4, 2013 – I detailed exactly where to find and see these declassified CIA documents for yourself.

All the documents filed under “68″ at The Black Vault, are on disk 4 in the folder numbered 17468.

Sub-project 68 is Dr. Ewen Cameron’s “research” supposedly about seeing if he can erase someone’s memory and personality and then re-program them with a new one. I think there was more to this story, not to mention Cameron enjoyed doing this to people.

Within the folder 17468 –

Documents #48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53 give much more detail about this particular subproject – dated January 21, 1957, and they refer back to this “research” having begun in June of 1953 (By Dr. Cameron).

Document #45, 46, 47 starts a series of pages giving another description of the start of the project, from 1957. Dr. Cameron’s “procedure” for trying to accomplish his ghoulish goal is referred to in the first page above as: heteropsychic driving. Hetero is a prefix meaning other or different. He recorded patients talking, edited the recordings, and then while he put them into a chemical coma and gave them numerous ECT treatments he would play back 24/7 to the person, selected things the person said, attempting to “drive” this into their memory that they think is what “forms” personality.

Psychic driving - ewen Cameron.

Very much along the lines of what we just learned are their ridiculous ideas about memory and awareness as related to these so-called “unaware” states.

But here’s the document I want to focus on for the purposes of this post – Document #52 mentions particular drugs that Dr. Cameron was using in order to “inactivate” a patient.

I’m going to list them out and show you what each one is or does, and you’ll see the direct relationship of why they use them for mind-control. This is exactly the same reason they use them in anaesthesia!

Let’s start with this, and something I bet you didn’t know is the real reason they were pushing it into society so heavily later on.


“We propose to use LSD25…as a means of breaking down the ongoing patterns of behavior.”


So it was never about “becoming enlightened” or “becoming more spiritual”, you see, those were sales pitches.

LSD was a behavior modification tool – plain and simple.

Notice the other drugs listed. We have:

  • Artine
  • Anectine
  • Bulbocapnine
  • Curare

They’re all paralyzing drugs.

Artane – (trihexyphenidyl HCl, USP) Tablets and Elixir – is a synthetic antispasmodic drug used to control convulsions from electric shock, one of the side effects – hallucinations.

The second one Anectine is Max’s drug of choice.

Anectine – Succinylcholine is a depolarizing skeletal muscle relaxant. This one is particularly interesting because it has no effect whatsoever on consciousness. The person is awake! It also is the one used to try and get around the fight the body puts up against intubation. And…it’s also used during electric shock.

Bulbocapnine – isoquinoline alkaloid found in Corydalis flavula, Dicentra spectabilis. Causes a transient syndrome of frenzy, convulsions, tremor, opisthotonos, salivation, vomiting.

It is also used to induce CATATONIA by psychiatrists all the way since 1910!

IT IS WELL known that several drugs produce symptoms which closely resemble common clinical syndromes seen in certain psychiatric patients. Since 1910 considerable attention has been focused on the effects of one of these drugs, bulbocapnine, which experimentally produces in animals practically all of the motor manifestations seen in human catatonia.

INTERRUPTION OF BULBOCAPNINE CATALEPSY IN RATS BY ENVIRONMENTAL STRESS HENRY N. WAGNER; JAMES W. WOODS AMA Arch NeurPsych. 1950;64(5) :720-725.doi: 10.1001 /archneurpsyc. 1950.02310290116013.

As part of several other MKULTRA sub-projects pychiatrist Robert Heath carried out experiments on prisoners at the Louisiana State Penitentiary using bulbocapnine to induce stupor and catatonia.

Robert Heath (left)

robert galbraith heath experimenting on monkeys

Heath founded the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane University, New Orleans, in 1949 and remained its Chairman until 1980. He performed many experiments there involving electrical stimulation of the brain via surgically implanted electrodes. This work was partially financed by the CIA and the US military.

He also did experiments using niacin to induce psychosis – yep, plain old vitamin B-3.


Just like Ron Hubbard was doing but calling it “radiation treatment” in the 1950’s and then later using it to run out drugs – including LSD – in the “Purification Rundown” created and marketed as part of Narconon in the 1970’s.

For much more about all that see –

So here’s Max Fink, the anaesthesiologists, and psycho-doctors like Dr. Ewen Cameron and british-man William Sargant all experimenting and doing the same thing – literally bringing about DEATH (can’t move/can’t respond) in people.


Because it’s the Catholic/Nesilim way – that’s why.

Death Therapy

Kiss of Death.

From my post The Marriage of Catholicism and Psychiatry

…a word on Dr. Mayer-Gross – ghoul-on-the-loose from Nazi Germany. He’s rather obsessed with reducing unapproved people to the very brink of death, you see, so that maybe they will see the light of their wrong ways.

Torturing them beyond all limits, beyond all tolerance, so he can play the part of the savior! of sick souls.

The head of Maudsley Hospital in England was Professor Edward Mapother. He was William Sargant’s role model. Mapother was part of the big push of physical treatments for people with unpopular ideas or behavior.

He brought Sargant onto the staff of Maudsley in 1935, as part of his aim to turn the Maudsley into ‘the Queen Square of psychiatry’. Sargant also saw himself as a “messiah” of sick souls.

Sargant’s goal, as was his mentor, was to propel the backward and insane religion of psychiatry into prominence as a ‘science’even though even he knew that his methods did not work, and simply traumatized (outright tortured) people into submission to others will.

Yet he was the poster boy, the man with ‘charisma’, that had been chosen for this task of selling the world on the biggest fraud since…well, since Christianity, which as we already covered, is who spawned psychiatry in the first place.

Sargant was a sadist, not to put too fine a point on it, who believed that people should be SHOCKED out of their unapproved behaviors, or at least terrified into submission.

Mapother then brought in Willhelm Mayer-Gross, the insulin shock expert.


Sargant was just beside himself over this new and wonderful way to bring death experiences to those who did not conform, what better way to create that ‘new creature’ so desired by Catholicism.

By the time Dr. R.D. Laing (who later became anti-psychiatry) is being brought to Crichton Royal Hospital in Dumfries, Scotland to train in these fabulous ‘physical’ techniques of training the soul, Sargant was at the Sutton Emergency Hospital busy experimenting with various techniques that he called ‘frontline sedation’.

Sargant, Mayer-Gross, and John Rees all were experimenting with such memorable sarcasm ideas such as drug abreaction, injecting shell-shocked soldiers full of barbiturates to overcome conscious emotional resistance and allow them to relive their traumatic experiences on the battlefield, thus supposedly providing cathartic, or ‘abreactive’ relief.

WWI Thompson abreaction under narcosis

Sargant’s personal favorite though at that time, was a lovely little procedure championed by psycho-chihouha lap-dog Dr. Mayer-Gross – insulin coma therapy.

Eet works! Eets a vunderful Zerapy!

crazy chihuahua

As one young author put it, this consisted of “giving patients intravenous insulin to induce hypoglycaemic comas lasting weeks or even months from which they would awake refreshed – if they were not among the 1–10% who never regained consciousness.”

A later place that Sargant worked, gives us a real view of what these coma wards were actually like – whether it was coma by insulin or coma by drugs – the goal was the same.

Death Therapy


Ward 5 of the Royal Waterloo Hospital, part of St Thomas’ Hospital where Sargant served as Head of Department of Psychological Medicine for the next three decades.

This hospital, and therefore Sargant’s diabolical ‘work’ – specialized in women and children. Just like his counterpart in Canada did – Dr. Ewen Cameron.

Heavily drugged and subjected to horrendous levels of electro-convulsive therapy (ECT) and even lobotomies, the unluckiest were taken to the ‘Narcosis Room’, where they were put to sleep for weeks at a time.

Almost all teenage girls and women in their early 20s, they were treated as little more than guinea pigs by controversial psychiatrist William Sargant as he conducted a bizarre experiment to ‘repattern’ their brains and cure them of depression.

The Zombie Ward: The chilling story of how ‘depressed’ women were put to sleep for months in an NHS hospital room


William Sargant smirking as he prepares to torture a strapped down and defenseless woman in Ward 5.

narcosis treatment ward 5 william sargant

It got so bad, so over-the-top as not being anything even vaguely about ‘helping’ anyone, that even the nurses sensed that the doctors:

… were trying to take over these people, and almost infiltrate them, change their personalities, change who they were.

Almost acting like a god – …the sort of thing you’d expect in Hitler’s time.

– Streatfeild D. Brainwash: the Secret History of Mind Control. London: Hodder & Stoughton, 2006: p. 440
narcosis and ect ward 5Ward 5  – Narcosis and ECT

‘The worst time was when I started not to be asleep. I was awake, but couldn’t move or speak. It was torture, lying there for hours in the darkness.’

paralyzed narcosis


Willhelm ‘Willy’ Mayer-Gross

wilhelm 'Willy' Mayer-Gross

Willy was imported to Britain from Germany, from the Heidelberg School of psychiatry (Emil Kraepelin etc.)

They wanted him to institute insulin coma shock ‘therapy’ on those labelled schizophrenic – even though it was known to have an abysmal ‘cure’ rate, basically non-existent. Only 1 in 20 had any sort of ‘improvement’ at all! And yet as a result of this one patient by the end of the WWII, 20,000 or more anxiety hysterias had had this treatment in the American forces alone and its use spread over the world as a ‘treatment of war neuroses’.

Since it obviously had such a horrible cure-rate, why then, was it allowed? Why was this barbarism not only allowed, but enthusiastically embraced? Or at least presented as being enthusiastically embraced…that is.

Ah, to answer that, this is where our catechism study comes in. We already know the religion of psychiatry was never about curing these people, they only cared about torturing them – taking them near death to see if they could get a ‘reborn’ effect – the blank slate of a baby.

At the time that Dr. R.D. Laing was being thrust into this environment, Dr. Mayer-Gross was just then pioneering the twin-tortures of insulin coma and ECT therapy, which had come straight out of the Catholic center – Rome.

Max Fink’s personal hobby-horse no less, ECT, that he’s continuing to try to sell as “therapeutic”.

R.D. Laing wrote about the real purpose of ECT, while commenting on its Roman Catholic inventor Ugo Cerletti.

a young Ugo (front row, second from left) with his mentors

Alzheimer_with_his_co-workers_Nervenklinik_Munich_1909-1910Front row, from left: Mrs. Adele Grombach, Ugo Cerletti, unknown, Francesco Bonfiglio, Gaetano Perusini. Top row from left: Fritz Lotmar, unknown, Stefan Rosental, Allers (?), unknown, Alois Alzheimer, Nicolás Achúcarro, Friedrich Heinrich Lewy


Ugo electric-shocking people –

ugo cerletti ugo cerletti2

But there was an idea in the air, propounded in particular by Ugo Cerletti, Professor of Psychiatry at Rome University [a Jesuit college]  that epileptic fits might be good for schizophrenia.

…Cerletti believed that schizophrenia and epilepsy bore some sort of inverse relation to each other. Schizophrenic epileptics seemed less schizophrenica after an epileptic fit. Therefore, how about giving schizophrenics epilepsy or, less crudely, giving schizophrenics an electric cerebral lavage, or shower? It might clean out or wash up their clogged up or dirty brains. Hence electric shocks could induce epilepsy…

The idea of ‘death comas’ was also in the air – the death and rebirth archetype, taken literally.

In deep insulin coma the patient comes very close to real physical death and sometimes actually dies.

Some people feel they do die, and they may in fact do so. They certainly look as though they have. Breathing, pulse, heartbeat may be imperceptible for long seconds, maybe minutes.

Might not this dip into death by therapeutic?

Wisdom, Madness and Folly, The Making of a Psychiatrist by R.D. Laing




When Ignatius Loyola first formed the Society of Jesus (aka the Jesuits) it is said that as part of it’s original constitutions Loyola wrote:

“I must look upon myself as a corpse, which has no voluntary motion…”
Ignatius Loyola – Jesuit Constitutions

In Catholicism (christianity) this is the preferred state of the most loyal.

The attitudes and propaganda of Catholicism have had an incredibly strong bearing on why so many of these “treatments” – including anesthesia – go towards approximating such a state.

Per Pope Julius III in Exposcit debitum, 21 July 1550, there is an idea added about “lessons” that would literally cover all of today’s psychiatric treatments like ECT, induced comas, anesthesia, paralyzation could all be classified as “lessons” for certain souls.

Note: Exposcit debitum is the version the Society of Jesus considers its founding document. See my post – The Fourth Vow to see a 1653 version of this, the oldest source that I have found so far.

These lectiones (lessons) through which the Jesuits might  “help souls to make progress” – made it so that they could operate in a less obviously religious manner, but it also meant that any number of methods, ways and ‘ideas’ could come under teaching other souls ‘lessons’ for them to make progress.

This ‘rebirth’ or changed personality idea is extremely prevalent throughout Catholic teachings. For example –

(1) We compare our born again experience to our experiences before our personal relationship with God.

When we see the world though the eyes of being born again everything looks different.

– from a website called the Catholic Bridge, interestingly enough.


…if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God…

  – Catholic Catechism 2001


Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte ‘a new creature,‘

  – Catholic Catechism 1265, emphasis added


Anyone not “baptized” and accepting of the fairy tales of christianity is considered as being in hell – a hell creature, literally.

“This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”

Catholic Catechism 1033

And above all, you cannot presume to “save yourself” – that is a sin!

The first commandment is also concerned with despair and presumption as sins against hope.

… There are two kinds of ’’presumption.’’

Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high)….

Hence the justification of why interference with your wishes by psychiatry, priests, and doctors (unfortunately mostly the same thing) is A-ok – as is the enforcing of a near-death experience on people.

Alright, now that we’ve learned about all that, I’d also like to point out another Catholic teaching that I discussed in this post on this subject. The idea that being brought to absolute weakness, to one’s knees in tears, in order for God’s power to ‘become perfect’ – see, that’s the ticket to these people.

Can you think of an example of ‘absolute weakness’?

How about…being strapped down and brought to the brink of death as a method of having you be ‘reborn’ as a new creature who doesn’t have any of those bad nasty supernatural (or unpopular) ideas any more.

That’s exactly what psychiatry specializes in. Yet another reason I call it –

the religion of psychiatry.


The enforced near death experience levied on the ‘insane’ – people that do not conform in some way – is done in order to ‘teach the lesson’; bring the person to absolute weakness and then they can be ‘reborn’ in a more conforming frame-of-mind.

For example, in insulin shock, the second stage of the procedure is administering glucose to bring the patient back to consciousness. Right then, was when doctors in England, Germany, and America (who first used this procedure) would take advantage of the terrified and disoriented patient to ‘counsel’ them. – they called it ‘readjusted‘…


When slowly brought out of the coma with glucose injections, his or her personality would now be temporarily “readjusted” – that’s what they called that disoriented and terrified (and very ill) state.

It was then that these sick, sick men would discuss their view of the problems with the patient, trying to enforce him to “banish his delusions” – with a big, giant or else of another near-death insulin treatment hanging in the balance over the guys head.

They called this good heart-to-heart psychotherapy.

Now I ask you – how much do you want to bet that ECT practitioners like Max Fink, and even some doctor/anesthesiologists do the same thing to people?

Think about it.

I can’t tell you how many times I have had people tell me that so-and-so was different after some particular surgery they had – I even know of a personal family example.

To do this to people who are literally clawing back from the brink of death, to take advantage of them in those circumstances purely for their own opinion on how the person should be? My god. The sheer evil and arrogance.

These “treatments” are about domination, just as it has always been.

It is not about helping humanity.

It is not about helping people ‘recover’.

It never was.

This is about religious conversion to be suborned to our Masters.

The prevalence of people these days that have been pressed into believing there is such a thing as bipolar disorder, or schizophrenia, and that all they need do is a variant of narcosis treatment, with perhaps some lovingly administered ECT, or now, Magnetic Seizure Therapy, shows that none of this sick intent has changed.

Not one bit.

These things aren’t about healing, they are about FEAR and REVENGE primarily, from sad little men who have just about the world’s biggest inferiority complexes. It’s truly amazing how much they covertly hate people, just about all people.

So when you see people like Max Fink (and others) crowing about the benefits of being literally brought to death as a “therapy” now you’ll know what a vicious lie that is.

This is also why the story of scientologists role in trying to stop these abusive practices is such a sad one to me. It’s sad because there were well-meaning people involved in exposing ECT and other psychiatric butchery, but not only were they hamstrung by the completely wrong reason (and people) responsible for these atrocities (thanks to L. Ron Hubbard the CIA asset) but they were actually working for/with the very people behind all this.

It’s also sad to see NEW people getting roped into the mind control front group that scientology is in any form (whether “independent” of the church or not) by being attracted to the truth of the psychiatric abuses it “exposes” – while at the same time the very overdoing of it is itself a kind of weird lie which ends up marginalizing the very real ghoulish nature of this religion posing as a science – psychiatry.

In other words…

This is some fucked up shit.

Max was very angry though at what did get done back when scientology’s Guardian’s Office was still going. It isn’t that the G.O. were “good guys” compared to the current David Miscavige and his Office of Special Affairs, it is that there were good guys doing good work even amongst all the agents and double-agents and downright evil people of the G.O. Something current scientologists just aren’t any longer – there aren’t any of those kind of “good guys” among a single scientology group out there. Not one.

Note: there are other groups and people who are rising and that’s a very happy thing.

But back in the early 1970’s, 1973 to be precise, a number of groups (not all of which were scientology) were up-in-arms over what they had found out what as really going on in psychiatry back then – and the public was not pleased to know what was being done to their parents, their children, their friends behind closed doors.

In 1973 the California legislature also sought to interdict the use of electroshock, lobotomy, and psychotropic drugs. As the proposed law progressed through the legislative process, objections to the use of psychoactive drugs were dropped, largely because the public was aghast at the possible restriction of the popular tranquilizers Miltown and Valium. Both ECT and lobotomy were interdicted, but the law was challenged in court and enjoined as an illegal restriction on medical practice. The legislature revised the law to set consent and reporting requirements and to limit the use of ECT in patients under the age of 12. This law was upheld in the court as within the protective powers of the state, and the availability and the use of ECT in California has consequently been tightly narrowed.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, p 96-99

Max then proceeds to tell us who is to blame for this upstart behavior (I’m being sarcastic).

Antipsychiatry actions

In the years after World War II, psychiatry became the target of two men in the United States, Thomas Szasz and L. Ron Hubbard.

Szasz, a Hungarian psychiatrist exiled by Nazism, was appointed professor at the medical school of the State University of New York in Syracuse. From this vantage point, he excoriated psychiatrists and their use of psychotropic drugs, asserting that mental illness was a myth created by professionals acting as agents of the state to intimidate and incarcerate citizens. He characterized psychiatric treatments, especially drugs and electroshock, as an abuse of state power and decried any treatment of mental disorders, alleging that individuals had the right to believe what they wished.

His statements, perhaps indicating an overreaction to his experience with fascism and communism, attracted a small but vociferous cadre of active anti-psychiatrists. Szasz’s attacks on psychiatric practice, taken up by his disciples in child and adolescent psychiatry, psychology, social work, and religion, discouraged patients from considering psychiatric treatments other than some brand of psychotherapy. His student Peter Breggin became a professional critic of the use of biological treatments, testifying before state legislatures and Congress in favor of laws to prohibit their use.

He has written diatribes against conventional psychiatry and actively supports malpractice suits against psychiatrists. His personal experience with electroshock is limited to his training in Syracuse and Boston in the 1970s.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, p 96-99 Antipsychiatry actions


Max even attacks R.D. Laing, even though he did nothing but tell the truth of what he had seen these people doing – as a psychiatrist himself!

Similar attacks on psychiatric practice occurred in Europe. Ronald Laing (1967) in Great Britain, Michel Foucault (1965) in France, and Franco Basaglia in Italy argued that mental illness was a social phenomenon, secondary to economic and political problems, not related to biological causes.

Psychiatric practices based on medical interventions were so distorted by these critics that in 1978 Italy closed the country’s large mental institutions, forcing families and communities to assume the responsibility of caring for the mentally ill. This experiment was recognized as a failure only when the mentally ill flooded Italian city streets and overwhelmed their families’ capabilities to care for them.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, p 96-99 Antipsychiatry actions


Watch Max do his own spin on other spin (which was probably David Miscavige related) so to speak –

Attacks on ECT continue to be featured on television and radio talk shows and in newspaper articles. A series of four articles published in 1995 in the national newspaper USA Today, written in conjunction with the debates in the Texas legislature to outlaw ECT, presents a particularly egregious example. It alleged that psychiatrists resort to treating the elderly and children with ECT when other means would have done as well. Practitioners use ECT because of financial incentives, not clinical judgment, the series said. It also claimed that death rates were much higher than were reported in the psychiatric literature.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, p 96-99 Antipsychiatry actions


The would-be religious torturers fought back. The AMA and other inter-related slavemaster front groups all came out in “support” of ECT – as if that means anything.

Support for the continued use of electroshock also carne from the American Medical Association and several national mental health associations, including the National Mental Health Association, the National Depressive and Manic-Depressive Association (NDMDA), and the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI).

– Max Fink

This is kind of as ridiculous as having 4 or 5 of scientology’s front groups all come out “in support of” Narconon’s drug-rehab program.

Totally for show and nothing else.


Then, the slavemaster controlled press outlets joined in, which Max offers up those to the reader as well. Again, as if that means anything useful (which it doesn’t).

The renewed use of ECT was noted as well in the press. In 1987, the New York Times discussed it in an article titled “Shock Therapy: Return to Respectability,” which alluded to the legislative and antipsychiatry controversies and also related the successful applications and safety of the treatment. An article in New York magazine in 1994, titled “When Prozac Fails … Electroshock Works,” reflected the reporter’s ambivalence from the start: “It’s still popularly feared and reviled. But these days it’s kinder and gentler-and widely used. Electroshock is jolting thousands of patients out of suicidal depressions.”

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, p 102,103 Antipsychiatry actions


Oh well, if the New York Times and New York magazine said it…it must be true, right?

clapping not thrilled


Max shows those dang Texans – (well, he thinks he does)

In 1991, the National Institutes of Health held a conference on the recognition and treatment of depression in the elderly. The consensus was that ECT filled an important role in the treatment of depression in elderly adults; that the evidence for short-term efficacy of ECT is strong; and that relapse after effective ECT is frequent, requiring further study of alternate treatment strategies, … including continuation ECT. The panel found that. ECT, despite its efficacy, is generally underused by, or unavailable to, the elderly. [Consensus Conference, 1992.]

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Consequences of controversy


But after claiming all this “support” and restoration of public faith in ECT – he’s even lying about that, which he reveals in this –

The controversies have taken a toll. The availability of ECT is uneven and sparse. Many facilities licensed to treat the mentally ill are not equipped to deliver the treatment. And so few psychiatrists are skilled in electroshock therapy that patients in many parts of the country don’t have access to the treatment.

Dang. Someone should ask this guy “Which is it Max – you won or “they” won?

morticia - wink

Even the FDA jumped aboard the “support” wagon, at first, but even they couldn’t stomach the psychiatrists super-shock machines idea for older patients. I doubt it was out of the kindness of their hearts either, more that it was a Public Relations nightmare.

… In the brouhaha over the revival of ECT in the 1.970s, the anti-ECT lobby tried to persuade the FDA to limit the sale and use of ECT devices in the United States. Their claim was that the devices were unsafe. In the early 1980s the FDA ruled that the devices in use were safe and reliable. The devices delivered energies with a fixed maximum under standard conditions, a maximum that had been set arbitrarily. Patients’ seizure thresholds, however, rise with age, and many of the elderly need higher energies for effective treatment. The device manufacturers developed such devices, but when they applied to the FDA for modification of the standards, they were turned down and could not sell their equipment.

The devices now sold in the United States are inadequate for effective treatment of some patients.

– Healing Mental Illness: Electroshock – Max Fink, Consequences of controversy


Just how much juice does Max need to properly torture those poor old people…

This much?


Oh yeah – now we’re talking!

I’m not really kidding here, just look at him lamenting the fact that the FDA didn’t approve their super-charged shock machine as if he “just can’t understand the problem.”

Could we have a deer-in-the-headlights look here…

I just don’t understand the FDA’s denial – Max Fink


Finally, to wrap things up here, I think probably one of the most revealing statements in Max’s entire book is buried in this paragraph –

How could seizures bring about beneficial effects in behavior? In 1972, with support from the National Institute of Mental Health, psychiatrists at a conference on the biological effects of electroshock reviewed the effects of seizures on brain electrophysiology, chemistry, and memory. No theory of ECT’s action emerged. In 1985, psychiatrists at an international conference in New York reviewed the research issues that had received attention during the previous decade. Those attending the conference concluded that how ECT works still remained a mystery.


How it works?

If you call this “working”…

BATTY BAT (11) psychiatric brain trauma cure.

As to the how? – well it doesn’t “work” to do anything other than the above. There is no such thing as a biological basis for “insanity” – psychiatry is not science. I don’t care how many big words or “support” articles they come up with, or tv shows they try and imbed their idiotic propaganda about “the mind and the brain” into.

Its religion posing as science.


Virginia McClaughry





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